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    a rose is a rose

    i don't care if he's gay or straight or bi or trans or whatever. unlike you rick, i DO care if he has intimate contact in a public rest room. that's against the law as well it should be. one day when you're older (i know i know i know) i'll write about what i did when i found a similar situation in women's rest room - man and woman but i don't care if it was one from column a and one from column b or two from a and one from b or two from b and one from a or.......(i wasn't happy and i'm italian which means when i get angry i might be a tad bit over the top)

    regarding your father and his admiration for larry, how did you feel when you heard the news

    CV Rick

    Rose, I felt Schadenfreude.

    Cele

    What gets me about people like soon to be former Senator Craig is his anti Homosexual stance. That is what pisses me off. I don't care if he is gay, if he's just curious, or if he's straight as a doornail and was framed (ha ha yeah get real) But to take a political stance against a faction of society because of something you can't change and the be found out as a cruiser just riles my soul as much as his original hatred.

    Tim Mulcahy

    Sorry Rick, Craig might not have been entrapped but based on the conduct described on the CNN website, he wouldn't have been convicted of anything.

    Picking up a note is not Lewd behavior, nor is rubbing your hands together or wiping your hand on the side of a bathroom stall. Looking in through the crack might me but there is sketchy evidence that he did that.

    Here's the way I see it. Senator Craig is gay. He probably could have beat the charge if he stuck to his guns but decided to plead guilty to a lesser charge in the hope that the whole thing would go away.

    Note, there was no evidence that he engaged in any sex act, no evidence that he approached or even spoke to the under cover police officer, no evidence that he displayed his genitals or did anything else specifically described in the Minnesota statute as lewd behavior. In retrospect, this senator should have stuck to his guns and fought the charge .

    Now, having said that, one thing I would like to note that in this age of terrorism what is the point of this kind of sting operation. The whole thing seems rather stupid to me. Would n't police be more appropriately deployed looking for terrorists or violent criminals.

    Sideon

    I'll recap some comments a friend of mine, flattopSF, on the exmormon boards - I'm cherry picking the gems.

    "Gay people did not construct the social world and the rules governing it that we happen to live in; straight people did. A long, long time ago, some of our collective ancestors, inspired by both a stupid book called the Bible, and an inherited set of ignorant prejudices, decided that they should make homosexuality one of the most onerous of 'crimes.' Despite what those idiot televangelists and moron Mormons insist on evilly whispering in your ears, we gay people didn't make the rules up: there were never that many of us around to make up a majority."

    "So when you straight folks observe with disgust some poor desperate slob of a closet case being arrested for tapping his toe in a bathroom stall trying to get someone else's attention; or waving his hand under the stall wall trying to interest some straight cop in a hand-job; or hanging out around a public bathroom looking for some eye contact and a possible hookup of some sort, I'd recommend that you remember this: straight people brought this on. The conditions that caused this behavior are your fault. If you don't like it and don't think it should continue, then you should work to change the fundamental cause of the behavior. Look to the order of your own house first: how do you think all other human beings should be treated? Like garbage? Like disenfranchised citizens?"

    and he wraps it up here:

    "I don't want someone like Senator Craig in my club until he can learn to love and accept himself — till then, he's not one of ours (gay): he's one of yours (straight). You made him that way: you deal with it.

    Try to remember all this the next time you start to feel "moral" outrage at something so idiotic as a U.S. Senator caught tapping his toe and waving his hand under a public restroom stall. Also try really fucking hard to remember that straight people don't hold the monopoly on "morality." And DON'T, in your wildest, most idiotic dreams and fantasies, try to pretend that I am defending either Senator Craig OR his actions. He is a stupid pathetic asshole, and so are all the people who want to pass the kind of stupid restrictive legislation that originally made the person who Senator Craig REALLY is, deep down inside, do what he did to survive.

    And PLEASE, whatever you do: DON'T let me stop you from passing laws against having sex in a public bathroom...really, I insist."

    ((standing ovation))

    Graeme

    You'd think a Senator could score some better cock than airport bathroom cock? I mean, everyone knows airport bathroom cock is barely a step up from truck stop cock.

    Sharon

    Stereotyping it drives me nuts.We get a lot of jturnalisos who just aren't interested in anything other than confirming their preconceived ideas with some evidence' even when the evidence doesn't exist or contradicts what they want to say. Five years after the fact, there are still articles claiming that the number of egg and sperm donors dropped through the floor when the law on anonymity was changed. It didn't the numbers actually went up. If they'd bothered to check the publicly available stats on the HFEA website they'd know this is a non-story but no, bad news is so much more entertaining.Then, and I hate to say it, there are the articles in women's mags who want a very specific story about a grieving infertile couple given hope by a donor and how they had suffered for so long but look there was a happy ending. I know this is what they DO and it's also the kind of story that helps recruit donors, but y'know, it's not the whole picture.

    Vikram

    The Progressives have infiltrated our solochs. There is no more truth no black or white. But it has also infiltrated many churches and why we are that church of Laodicea. It is time to wake up. As a Messianic Jew (Christian) I've always taught my sons never to believe what they are told but to research and weigh things against the Word of G-d and against our Constitution. My GGGG grandfather was one of the founding fathers Signers of the Declaration of Independence. Just today a woman on FB who is a Progressive didn't know the Declaration of Independence from the US Constitution This is why I support Charter Schools, Christian Schools and home schooling. My sons attended a Christian school and they were home schooled (encouraged to read, taken to museums and travel) They were in Church and we studied the word. CMy youngest son is now a Mechanical Engineer and serving in the US Navy ( Nuclear Engineering) and is a Conservative He has organized a prayer group in the evening with other Navy serviceman.

    Marcela

    lvanderietMarch 22, 2011 at 9:20 amClaire McCaskill did not handle any prtetsos well. She was condescending, dictatorial and disrespectful to those that pay for her salary, her private plane, her bills and her fraudulent activity. She is a fraudulent liar and cheat, imagine that! That's why I didn't vote, nope, never will. BRING ON ED!

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