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    Cherise

    What's the deal with the ring?

    Cynthia Bagley

    I remember some of the stories Mormon's told to make themselves feel special. It never worked for me.

    Success Warrior

    Cherise, it's the Mormon equivalent of WWJD. Theirs is worded Choose The Right. CTR rings and pendants are very popular. By choosing their own letters and slogan, they initially cornered the market on the sale of such items. A smart business move on their part.

    Sister Mary Lisa

    Great post, Rick. I love your GUM memories. And funny you should call us all beeeyatches. I laughed at that.

    a rose is a rose

    i don't get it. who is god's god? who rewarded him? i really do NOT get it at all. and when the hell do we get to MORE magic underwear? now THAT is something i KNOW i'll understand!

    a rose is a rose

    i don't get it. who is god's god? who rewarded him? i really do NOT get it at all. and when the hell do we get to MORE magic underwear? now THAT is something i KNOW i'll understand!

    Success Warrior

    The god of this planet is Elohim and I think his god is a guy named Earl.

    I'm not sure on that one. Elohim's planet is called Kolob or Kobol (whichever one wasn't in Battlestar Galactica whose writer was Mormon and snuck a bit of doctrine in).

    Earl comes from a planet called Bamma.

    What gets interesting is when you start talking about who Earl's god was. You see, this goes back forever. Gods procreate with multiple wives to create enough spirits to populate a planet. Those people can go on to become gods themselves and can procreate to produce spirits for their planet. And then those people can become gods. . .

    There are millions of gods out there having spiritual sex to populate their own planets. It would be interesting to go back and find out who the very first god was.

    Graeme

    I think it should be a crime to teach children religion until they are old enough to understand it.

    C. L. Hanson

    I never heard that the Holy Ghost would ever necessarily receive a body. How he fit into the whole Mormon "divine reproduction" plan was a little vague. Ditto for Jesus, actually -- is he supposed to go on to create his own universe after this, or continue being an assistant God for this one?

    CV Rick

    I agree, Graeme. However that's never going to happen. Parents have an uncontrollable desire to raise children who have identical beliefs to their own . . . I believe it's genetic.

    C.L. Hanson - I was most definitely taught in church that the Holy Ghost would eventually receive a body. To be fair, however, I was taught that this would happen after the second coming of Christ, when there was a thousand years of peace, when Satan was imprisoned.

    Jesus is bound to get his own planet if what we were taught is true. The most righteous get their own world and what's more righteous than a half-naked dude hanging out with twelve other half-naked dudes like hippies wandering around the region?

    Cynthia Bagley

    I guess you guys didn't get the same supersecret religion (old Mormonism) that I got. Jesus rules the telestial world and the Holy Ghost rules the Terrestrial worlds. Only the Father rules the celestial kingdom. --I guess that means that Jesus is a side-kick forever and ever amen.

    Oh, and I have read parts of the Journal of Discourses. We had a volume in our home that was passed down. I wonder where it is now LOL

    Cherise

    Thank you, SW! :)

    CV Rick

    Cynthia,

    Interesting. That's like being Robin and never getting away from Batman . . . no independent adventures, no solo comic. What bullshit that would be!! I declare freedom for sidekicks in my universe!

    Sideon

    I remember my cousin's boyfriend (partly because he was one very muscular dude) and how he wore a CTR ring. Before he went on a mission, he bought my cousin a matching CTR ring. At that time in my life, my cousin was also one of my best friends and he (the hunky boyfriend) became a very good friend of mine, too.

    Maybe they saw the horns before I did, or maybe their supreme powers of Mormon discernment because of the Holy Ghost gave them a wider vision of myself than I knew (or denied) at the time, but, they both encouraged me to get a CTR ring and go to church with them on the weekends. I'll admit that I went with them a few times, but testimony meetings were the times I wanted to run screaming from the room. While I sort of admired their rings, I never got one of my own. Mine would have meant "corrupt the righteous," anyway.

    Gluby

    I love it. Superpowers. And not an inaccurate comparison. It would make an interesting write-up in GURPS or something. "Gift of Holy Ghost (GOHG): 10 points. You occasionally receive inspiration and insights as to major decisions, the trustworthiness of individuals, and the locations of missing trivialities. However, these insights are indistinguishable from your regular half-baked and ill-considered thoughts. You you are required to treat them all the same and revere them all as spiritually-revealed truth. If they yield bad results or are somehow shown to be inaccurate, you are permitted to either disregard them as your own thoughts or blandishments from evil forces masquerading as the Holy Ghost, or you may regard them as punishment for your lack of faith or a test of faith. You also receive an undisclosed bonus to performance in organized sporting activities."

    It's amazing how much bullshit will grow great glorious golden wings and fly as Truth among Mormons (and fundamental religionists in general) where there is no collective ability for real scrutiny of communications, stories and ideas within the belief system. Mormonism relies so much on aversion to and denial of truth that it's very vulnerable to this effect.

    The primary function of the Holy Ghost, as far as I can see, is to introduce a massive amount of uncertainty about every little aspect of life in confessors of the religion. What is your thought? What is the holy bugaboo? What is Satan? How do you know?

    EVERYTHING is mystified and rendered unknowable. All bets are off. If it works and everything went good, it was the Spirit. If it turned out bad, it was Satan or you, either of which are bad, for even if it's not you, the fact that Satan's influence is workable on you is horrifying. Either way, you are not you, but a single "free will" (ha, ha, nice joke, that "free will" thingy) flapping in the winds of external wills without the ability to determine which movements are its own.

    Cheers, Rick!
    Gluby

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