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    Cherise

    Hi Rick,
    Great post, but I am worried you feel you can't really open up and tell us how you feel. Don't hold back! ;) te he.
    From a Small Town/Country Girl

    Mark

    I know you and I disagree on this subject. Maybe it is because I am from a small town and realy believe in building community. Maybe it is because my experience with the 'burb' of Eagan isn't at all like your vision here. I have nieghbor's who don't have college degrees, mechanics, retired Army Lt. Col's, stay at home mom's, preacher (who used to be an adict), musicians, painters, and I could continue...but the thing is this, we all get together and help each other out. Recently a nieghbor was diagnosed w/ a brain tumor...the who 'hood supported them in anything they needed during his recovery. Another nieghbor just lost his 20 year old daughter under suspicious circumstanses and we're all there for him. I've had nieghbors help sheet rock, haul rocks/dirt/landscaping materials, etc. So forgive me if I don't quite share your bleak outlook of 'burb' life.

    And BTW, I live only 2 miles from work door to door. And yes, I have biked to work.

    CV Rick

    I said education levels, not degrees. It's my opinion that some random degree from a state college (that'd include me, by the way) is not equivalent to a degree from an ivy league school - because of the quality of education and the value of life's contacts based on the networking that time in school provides. It's more about the class-level of the people you associate with than the amount of time in a school.

    Success Warrior

    I live in a small town with no options and no sense of community.

    CV Rick

    Yeah, that's a problem Success Warrior . . . but I feel the reason is that you live in a community unnaturally created to satisfy a particular vice. There can't be much community in that.

    Mark

    well I consider my degree form the U a pretty good one, especially in Engineering, but I don't "lord" that over anyone, especially the guy across the street who is a bus mechanic, or the guy up the street who is in the building trades. We have a few doctors in the 'hood too, but they are so down to earth it doesn't even seem that "beeter". They have an education in something that I could never try to be "level" with.

    Success Warrior

    You don't have to use your degree in Engineering to lord over anyone when you are the beer darts champion. =)

    Mark

    true, true.....

    CV Rick

    I guess a near-future blog post is going to be on the value of education in America.

    Success Warrior

    Education in America?

    That's a joke, right?

    Tim Mulcahy

    There's a book you should read called "The Geography of Nowhere." It's about the history of suburban sprawl and how as a society we are building structures that no one cares about in homogenous communities.

    It isn't that people don't care about each other, its that we are building communities around cars where work and stores are separate from home life, where community activity are guilt around malls. The book was written at a time when inner cities were dying.

    Cities are undergoing a resurgence and planners are getting back to the concept of mixed use partly to allow people to work and shop within walking distance from their homes, but I think the book still has something to say.

    In Minnesota, where I live, we are planning for an additional million people in the next ten years. We need to ask ourselves how these people will be housed. Will we put them further from the inner city in an additional ring of suburbs, forcing them to spend up to four hours each day, travelling to and from work? Or will we create more balanced communities with public mass transit where people can get to and from their jobs more easily.

    The Wall Street Journal published an interesting study in late 2006 that said the number one thing that made people happy was a short commute. You couldn't pay them enough money to counter that.

    CV Rick

    Two days in a row someone has told me to read Kunstler. First, John recommends his brilliant blog, Clusterfuck Nation. In the large, comprehensive post I read he was talking about changing mindsets and figuring out how to live without the automobile, not live with a different kind of auto.

    Then you suggest one of his books, Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's Man-Made Landscape. Not one to ignore signs, I just ordered it and bookmarked the blog.

    Thank you.

    The things you learn by writing what you feel.

    Success Warrior

    Tim,

    I have a five mile commute and I love it. I wouldn't want to live much further than that. I can't imagine wasting hours of my life each day traveling to and from work. No way.

    graeme

    I have always lived in smaller towns, but I share your disdain for the 'burbs. This post reminds me of the little bit I know of Jane Jacobs.

    Mark

    sorry, still love my 'burb. Everything I want(95%)is w/in a 3 mile radius for what I want, work, home improvemnt store, resturants (including familiy owned greasy spoon), parks, heck even a place to play hockey. Personally I think it is all about how you live and what you expect out of where you live. But I also understand the issues involved in this lifestyle and see issues down the road as oil becomes nearer and dearer.

    John

    Happy to help spread a little 'burb-truth. :) The thing that sucks is that I'm just as bad about this stuff as anyone. I commute 45 mintes each way between the city and a small town. But since I'm not going the opposite direction I burn less gas. And I'm actively trying to find a way to live close to where I work. But that also means either shifting the driving burden to my partner or making him disrupt his employment. Putting intention into action is always the rub.

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